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		<title>Comment on 26 miners confirmed dead in accident in China tin ore mine by Perez Christina</title>
		<link>http://coalmountain.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/26-miners-confirmed-dead-in-accident-in-c-china-tin-ore-mine/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Perez Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.. that&#039;s sad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.. that&#8217;s sad</p>
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		<title>Comment on On child miners in Sierra Leone by Child and Youth Worker</title>
		<link>http://coalmountain.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/on-child-miners-in-sierra-leone/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Child and Youth Worker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read this post. This is very shocking news about children who are working in mines. I am feeling very bad after reading the story of Tamba James, who is working in child miner in mines to survive him self as well as his two younger brothers. After war this is very terrible conditions in Sierra Leone for small children who have lost every thing during the war. We should try to help them and educate them so they can do something in their life for them and for their families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read this post. This is very shocking news about children who are working in mines. I am feeling very bad after reading the story of Tamba James, who is working in child miner in mines to survive him self as well as his two younger brothers. After war this is very terrible conditions in Sierra Leone for small children who have lost every thing during the war. We should try to help them and educate them so they can do something in their life for them and for their families.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Barapukuria coal miners go on strike by Philip Metres</title>
		<link>http://coalmountain.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/barapukuria-coal-miners-go-on-strike/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Metres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In what is often a dirge-like elegy of remembrance, it&#039;s good to hear also that organizing is still happening!</description>
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		<title>Comment on 2 Men died during illegal coal mining in Western Bulgaria by mp</title>
		<link>http://coalmountain.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/2-men-died-during-illegal-coal-mining-in-western-bulgaria/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>mp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would they have survived if they have used the proper products or services used to insure safety such as dust control.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.midwestind.com/dustcontrol-5.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.midwestind.com/dustcontrol-5.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would they have survived if they have used the proper products or services used to insure safety such as dust control.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.midwestind.com/dustcontrol-5.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.midwestind.com/dustcontrol-5.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Aunt Molly Jackson and the Politics of Folksong by Renee Galloway</title>
		<link>http://coalmountain.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/aunt-molly-jackson-and-the-politics-of-folksong/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee Galloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 07:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are right. the internet has really made our lives easier. everything and everyone is just so accessible. i hope everyone should use the internet for the interest of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are right. the internet has really made our lives easier. everything and everyone is just so accessible. i hope everyone should use the internet for the interest of all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Affiliated Poetics by Rita</title>
		<link>http://coalmountain.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/affiliated-poetics/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the stories that come with the poems.

At that KSW thing, I read Lawson Fusao Inada&#039;s poem, &quot;Kicking the Habit&quot; (in Premonitions, edited by Walter Lew), a poem which opens the possibilities that are too often blocked by Angloholicism. &quot;and the pines said/ &#039;Clackamas. Siskiyou.&#039;&quot; Interestingly enough, Kaia Sand came up to me after the reading and mentioned that she recognized those indigenous words as being from the place where she lives. So the language that comes from the land can invite the possibility of affiliation too.

The very wonderful Wayde Compton also came up and generously read a poem with me.  http://www.waydecompton.com/

And another of the poems made me think of the Redress Conference (which ended up happening in Sept), on the 20th anniversary of the Japanese Canadian Redress Settlement.  A poetry reading is as good a place as any to slip in an important public service announcement now and then.  Discourses want to mingle and hybridize.  Let there be friction and sparks. Camaraderie and cultural memories!

Not just the reading, but hopefully also the panel, where Juliana spoke along with Peter Cole, Pat O&#039;Riley, and Reg Johanson, might be relevant to a discussion of affiliation. The panel addressed the challenge of negotiating with english as an imposed, colonial, expansionist language, and asked what shifts could happen when both indigenous and non-indigenous writers work to respect indigenous cultures, languages and perspectives. How can poetics align with First Nations cultures, given that cultural and linguistic diversity also relates to ecological diversity and preservation?  Does using the name &quot;kootenay&quot; (or even canada, from the Huron-Iroquoian word for village, kanata) involve some invitation to give back to the land, and to its original peoples?

In his book Coyote and Raven Go Canoeing, Peter Cole writes, &quot;this english language aligns us so and so   conjugates parses declensions us/ so that we put ourselves in places of author/ity/ because certain grammars act like viruses/ and they move from language to acting in the world otherly (than otherly).&quot;  I&#039;m looking forward to reading the anthology that he and Pat have been editing, Speaking for Ourselves: Constructions of Environmental Justice in Canada.  Affiliations with the raccoons, wolves, sea otters, sturgeon, fiddleheads, matsutake, baiji, pta:kwem, qukin, gaak, gwawis, and more, kudasai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the stories that come with the poems.</p>
<p>At that KSW thing, I read Lawson Fusao Inada&#8217;s poem, &#8220;Kicking the Habit&#8221; (in Premonitions, edited by Walter Lew), a poem which opens the possibilities that are too often blocked by Angloholicism. &#8220;and the pines said/ &#8216;Clackamas. Siskiyou.&#8217;&#8221; Interestingly enough, Kaia Sand came up to me after the reading and mentioned that she recognized those indigenous words as being from the place where she lives. So the language that comes from the land can invite the possibility of affiliation too.</p>
<p>The very wonderful Wayde Compton also came up and generously read a poem with me.  <a href="http://www.waydecompton.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.waydecompton.com/</a></p>
<p>And another of the poems made me think of the Redress Conference (which ended up happening in Sept), on the 20th anniversary of the Japanese Canadian Redress Settlement.  A poetry reading is as good a place as any to slip in an important public service announcement now and then.  Discourses want to mingle and hybridize.  Let there be friction and sparks. Camaraderie and cultural memories!</p>
<p>Not just the reading, but hopefully also the panel, where Juliana spoke along with Peter Cole, Pat O&#8217;Riley, and Reg Johanson, might be relevant to a discussion of affiliation. The panel addressed the challenge of negotiating with english as an imposed, colonial, expansionist language, and asked what shifts could happen when both indigenous and non-indigenous writers work to respect indigenous cultures, languages and perspectives. How can poetics align with First Nations cultures, given that cultural and linguistic diversity also relates to ecological diversity and preservation?  Does using the name &#8220;kootenay&#8221; (or even canada, from the Huron-Iroquoian word for village, kanata) involve some invitation to give back to the land, and to its original peoples?</p>
<p>In his book Coyote and Raven Go Canoeing, Peter Cole writes, &#8220;this english language aligns us so and so   conjugates parses declensions us/ so that we put ourselves in places of author/ity/ because certain grammars act like viruses/ and they move from language to acting in the world otherly (than otherly).&#8221;  I&#8217;m looking forward to reading the anthology that he and Pat have been editing, Speaking for Ourselves: Constructions of Environmental Justice in Canada.  Affiliations with the raccoons, wolves, sea otters, sturgeon, fiddleheads, matsutake, baiji, pta:kwem, qukin, gaak, gwawis, and more, kudasai.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Affiliated Poetics by jspa</title>
		<link>http://coalmountain.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/affiliated-poetics/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>jspa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark/Patrick... I&#039;ve been interested in this affiliation stuff for some time. And it seems there are several attempts in process.

The affiliation that a book like CME suggests between workers in China and the US. There are a number of examples of this. (And I think there is some critical discussion of this issue in Chris Nealon&#039;s recent work, &quot;the Poetic Case&quot; around a poet such as Moxley, whose work is less directly about affiliation.)

And then the affiliations that a poet might suggest, the story outside of the poem itself. I am thinking here of Rita Wong&#039;s reading at the recent Kootenay conference where she began each poem with a dedication to a certain concern/organization or told a story about it being written for a certain protest moment. (Going on memory here; maybe Rita could provide more info).

And then the affiliations that might get suggested or explored by critical writing. At UofC question period we had briefly discussion about the sort of work that critical writing can or cannot or does not do. And I think suggesting affiliations that poets themselves might ignore for a variety of reasons might be one thing it can decide to do. Or my talk was attempt to say that their might be much to be learned from putting disparate poets together and thinking about what they might all say together rather than buying into the &quot;schools&quot; or geographies models.

I&#039;m sure there are more varieties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark/Patrick&#8230; I&#8217;ve been interested in this affiliation stuff for some time. And it seems there are several attempts in process.</p>
<p>The affiliation that a book like CME suggests between workers in China and the US. There are a number of examples of this. (And I think there is some critical discussion of this issue in Chris Nealon&#8217;s recent work, &#8220;the Poetic Case&#8221; around a poet such as Moxley, whose work is less directly about affiliation.)</p>
<p>And then the affiliations that a poet might suggest, the story outside of the poem itself. I am thinking here of Rita Wong&#8217;s reading at the recent Kootenay conference where she began each poem with a dedication to a certain concern/organization or told a story about it being written for a certain protest moment. (Going on memory here; maybe Rita could provide more info).</p>
<p>And then the affiliations that might get suggested or explored by critical writing. At UofC question period we had briefly discussion about the sort of work that critical writing can or cannot or does not do. And I think suggesting affiliations that poets themselves might ignore for a variety of reasons might be one thing it can decide to do. Or my talk was attempt to say that their might be much to be learned from putting disparate poets together and thinking about what they might all say together rather than buying into the &#8220;schools&#8221; or geographies models.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are more varieties.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Affiliated Poetics by coalmountain</title>
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		<dc:creator>coalmountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Patrick, for the kind words and engaging, detailed analysis (as is your usual) on several fronts. Jeff Derksen mentioned in an email to me this morning (on another subject) poetry&#039;s &quot;astheticizing of politics&quot; as opposed to the more important (to me, to others) project of &quot;politicizing aesthetics (and right at a time when the shift is, following Ranciere, to reengage aesthetics as a political program.&quot; I think Jeff&#039;s comment, in some ways, touches on what we&#039;re both saying here.  

I&#039;ve noticed heightened traffic here at the blog since your post (from poetry people, as far as I can tell--the traffic from people researching mining disasters is fairly constant) -- and would of course be interested in what others think. And I&#039;d love it if you&#039;d be able to send me a copy of WIG when it appears!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Patrick, for the kind words and engaging, detailed analysis (as is your usual) on several fronts. Jeff Derksen mentioned in an email to me this morning (on another subject) poetry&#8217;s &#8220;astheticizing of politics&#8221; as opposed to the more important (to me, to others) project of &#8220;politicizing aesthetics (and right at a time when the shift is, following Ranciere, to reengage aesthetics as a political program.&#8221; I think Jeff&#8217;s comment, in some ways, touches on what we&#8217;re both saying here.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed heightened traffic here at the blog since your post (from poetry people, as far as I can tell&#8211;the traffic from people researching mining disasters is fairly constant) &#8212; and would of course be interested in what others think. And I&#8217;d love it if you&#8217;d be able to send me a copy of WIG when it appears!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Affiliated Poetics by Patrick Durgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Durgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

As always, I&#039;m impressed, downright moved, by your continued efforts to push two seemingly opposite practices closer--to amplify the ways in which the materials and methods of progressive politics and poetics resonate. I very much wish I were back in &quot;the motherland&quot; for this event. As you know, this is where I come from.

I want to respond to your open question. 

I&#039;ll begin, like a good post-language poet, by noting the irony that you are so far ahead of the pack in terms of activating the nascent politics of certain poetic practices, of doing some justice to the claims that have been made on behalf of &quot;radical modernist&quot; poetry and theory. You should know very well what it means to be avant garde! But I understand that irony misses the mark, too. The punch line of Antin&#039;s talk-poem itself bears this out.

The other day I went down to Hyde Park for a lecture on multilingualism and &quot;other Englishes&quot; in USAmerican poetry of the 1990s, by Juliana Spahr. It was a wide-ranging talk, and I won&#039;t presume to offer a summation. But the argument was a brave one, that reached across certain aesthetic affiliations (avant-garde poets of recent decades subordinating their practices to high modernist Euro-centric ideals / the rejection of these ideals by &quot;conservative&quot; artists and institutions, e.g. the Poetry Foundation / post-colonial vs. anti-imperialist struggles in the decade of English-only fervor and neoliberal clampdown). I hope Juliana can respond for herself to your question, or chime in about the talk. But I want to focus on the context of the Q &amp; A that followed.

A tenured professor at said Ivy League university English Department held forth at length following the talk, about the need for &quot;clarity&quot; as expressed in a certain problematically multilingual poet of high modernism, Ezra Pound. Admitting he knew little or nothing about the authors discussed in the talk, he suggested the aesthetic value of their work be delineated according to Pound&#039;s notion that the poet&#039;s refined language be put in service of the adjudication of ideas of social harmony. I pointed out that the implication, which is nothing new to students of Pound, is that multilingualism and other disjunctive practices are detrimental to &quot;the poet&quot; and &quot;his&quot; role in the polis, so defined. Yet Pound&#039;s own work (often arrogantly, and with a large degree of machismo) contradicts this in so many ways. Hence, it seemed to me that the ostensible fascism underlying Pound&#039;s aesthetic ideology is not a valid gauge of the motives or impact of the poetries Spahr wished to outline (and whose affinities seem, in retrospect, really something new to consider). I think I offended him personally, somehow, as there then began a hectoring having to do with the notion that one merely and freely CHOOSES to move between languages, discourses, idioms, etc., and that therefore it is a question of tact to do so as/when one will. I had to say, no, one can&#039;t really see it that way from the subject position of those oppressed by the language police. You don&#039;t just step out of the subordinated position. And by aping implied languages, you don&#039;t step into them either. This seemed to me to have everything to do with class. With everything I want what I write to have to do with...certainly everything that propelled my longstanding commitment to certain practices of the &quot;avant garde.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure where this leaves us. But I wanted to respond. It&#039;s a necessary question. And you&#039;re not alone in asking it! Some of us, less auspiciously, have been at it for a long while, too.

I wanted to mention that I have a short piece coming out in a NYC zine called WIG, on my own writing practice, literary activism, and training in English departments as labor--it&#039;s a special issue of the journal devoted to writing and/as &quot;work.&quot; I&#039;ve long wanted to understand how identifying as working class and the methods employed relate in my writing. I hope this issue gets around, at least as far and wide as XCP does. And I hope to move from the question of these relations &quot;in my writing&quot; to the relative impact of that writing in my world.

Best,

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>As always, I&#8217;m impressed, downright moved, by your continued efforts to push two seemingly opposite practices closer&#8211;to amplify the ways in which the materials and methods of progressive politics and poetics resonate. I very much wish I were back in &#8220;the motherland&#8221; for this event. As you know, this is where I come from.</p>
<p>I want to respond to your open question. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll begin, like a good post-language poet, by noting the irony that you are so far ahead of the pack in terms of activating the nascent politics of certain poetic practices, of doing some justice to the claims that have been made on behalf of &#8220;radical modernist&#8221; poetry and theory. You should know very well what it means to be avant garde! But I understand that irony misses the mark, too. The punch line of Antin&#8217;s talk-poem itself bears this out.</p>
<p>The other day I went down to Hyde Park for a lecture on multilingualism and &#8220;other Englishes&#8221; in USAmerican poetry of the 1990s, by Juliana Spahr. It was a wide-ranging talk, and I won&#8217;t presume to offer a summation. But the argument was a brave one, that reached across certain aesthetic affiliations (avant-garde poets of recent decades subordinating their practices to high modernist Euro-centric ideals / the rejection of these ideals by &#8220;conservative&#8221; artists and institutions, e.g. the Poetry Foundation / post-colonial vs. anti-imperialist struggles in the decade of English-only fervor and neoliberal clampdown). I hope Juliana can respond for herself to your question, or chime in about the talk. But I want to focus on the context of the Q &amp; A that followed.</p>
<p>A tenured professor at said Ivy League university English Department held forth at length following the talk, about the need for &#8220;clarity&#8221; as expressed in a certain problematically multilingual poet of high modernism, Ezra Pound. Admitting he knew little or nothing about the authors discussed in the talk, he suggested the aesthetic value of their work be delineated according to Pound&#8217;s notion that the poet&#8217;s refined language be put in service of the adjudication of ideas of social harmony. I pointed out that the implication, which is nothing new to students of Pound, is that multilingualism and other disjunctive practices are detrimental to &#8220;the poet&#8221; and &#8220;his&#8221; role in the polis, so defined. Yet Pound&#8217;s own work (often arrogantly, and with a large degree of machismo) contradicts this in so many ways. Hence, it seemed to me that the ostensible fascism underlying Pound&#8217;s aesthetic ideology is not a valid gauge of the motives or impact of the poetries Spahr wished to outline (and whose affinities seem, in retrospect, really something new to consider). I think I offended him personally, somehow, as there then began a hectoring having to do with the notion that one merely and freely CHOOSES to move between languages, discourses, idioms, etc., and that therefore it is a question of tact to do so as/when one will. I had to say, no, one can&#8217;t really see it that way from the subject position of those oppressed by the language police. You don&#8217;t just step out of the subordinated position. And by aping implied languages, you don&#8217;t step into them either. This seemed to me to have everything to do with class. With everything I want what I write to have to do with&#8230;certainly everything that propelled my longstanding commitment to certain practices of the &#8220;avant garde.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where this leaves us. But I wanted to respond. It&#8217;s a necessary question. And you&#8217;re not alone in asking it! Some of us, less auspiciously, have been at it for a long while, too.</p>
<p>I wanted to mention that I have a short piece coming out in a NYC zine called WIG, on my own writing practice, literary activism, and training in English departments as labor&#8211;it&#8217;s a special issue of the journal devoted to writing and/as &#8220;work.&#8221; I&#8217;ve long wanted to understand how identifying as working class and the methods employed relate in my writing. I hope this issue gets around, at least as far and wide as XCP does. And I hope to move from the question of these relations &#8220;in my writing&#8221; to the relative impact of that writing in my world.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another fatal accident at BHP mine site by Callan Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callan Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 07:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BHP Needs to understand the it doesn&#039;t matter how much 
paper work they make there employee&#039;s write out its not going to save lives if anything its making it worse I&#039;m currently working on a BHP construction site in the pilbara as a supervisor for a civil contracting company an the amount of paper work myself an our staff have to fill out its just a joke no one&#039;s thinking about the job at hand anymore there thinking have i signed the jha for the right area is my take5 done is the excavation permit signed and dated is my ass covered good i can do what ever i want now. What I&#039;m getting at is every time something goes wrong introducing a new form to fill out doesn&#039;t help it just leaving employees spending more time filling paper work out and less time to do there job&#039;s so it ends up getting rushed witch opens up the door for more incidents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BHP Needs to understand the it doesn&#8217;t matter how much<br />
paper work they make there employee&#8217;s write out its not going to save lives if anything its making it worse I&#8217;m currently working on a BHP construction site in the pilbara as a supervisor for a civil contracting company an the amount of paper work myself an our staff have to fill out its just a joke no one&#8217;s thinking about the job at hand anymore there thinking have i signed the jha for the right area is my take5 done is the excavation permit signed and dated is my ass covered good i can do what ever i want now. What I&#8217;m getting at is every time something goes wrong introducing a new form to fill out doesn&#8217;t help it just leaving employees spending more time filling paper work out and less time to do there job&#8217;s so it ends up getting rushed witch opens up the door for more incidents</p>
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